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Remember this – November 2010

Yes back in November 2010 Kate McCann spoke about the review.  You can listen from about 1 min.  Kate McCann tells you that under Alan Johnson a review was carried out to see whether it would be worth an investigative review which is now being conducted by team of  Scotland Yard officers under the Operation Grange Investigation.

Well according to the Remit of Operation Grange, they are looking into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and they state the following:

It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter. Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process.

Well it is clear to me that the report conducted prior to the authorisation of Operation Grange, exonerated the parents and did not class them as being involved in the disappearance of their daughter.  Well it must have done, otherwise Scotland Yard would be looking into the parents.

Oh dear, I see massive carpet chewing and cries of “It’s a whitewash.”

Let us hope whoever harmed Madeleine McCann is brought to Justice and that Scotland Yard along with their Portuguese counterparts get the breakthrough they need to reunite a missing child with her family.  If there is not to be a happy ending, let us hope that Madeleine is still found and her parents can lay her to rest with the respect she deserves and the family have closure.

Me, I live in hope of an happy ending… too many tragedies into this world to wish another one.

FURTHER READING: (Thanks to Samantha for finding this gem)

From the Telegraph 6th March 2010, talking about the review that was the groundwork needed before Operation Grange could be started.

Home Office launches secret review into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance
The Home Office has secretly begun a review that could lead to a fresh police inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
By Robert Mendick
9:00PM GMT 06 Mar 2010

The move follows the release of 2,000 pages of evidence last week which Portuguese detectives are accused of having failed to fully investigate.

According to sources close to the McCanns, Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, has ordered officials to examine the ‘feasibility’ of British or Portuguese detectives looking afresh at all the evidence.

Kate and Gerry McCann met with Mr Johnson last year to plead for help in their search for Madeleine, who vanished without trace in May 2007 from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

The couple have also met with John Yates, the Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner, who has headed up a number of high profile inquiries in recent years.

He is said to be “sympathetic” and to have made “general offers of assistance”.

The source said: “The latest we have heard from the Home Office is officials are undertaking a ‘scoping exercise’ to look into the possibility of a review of the case.

“They are looking at all the options. It is basically a feasibility study.

“Kate and Gerry met with Alan Johnson to request a review is done. Hopefully any political intervention can unlock obstructions that might be in the way.”

Pressure is now being put on Portuguese authorities to agree in the first instance to a three-day review of the case that could be held at Interpol’s headquarters in Lyon in France.

The McCanns will hope the Home Office can persuade their Portuguese counterparts to co-operate in a case review.

The review – were it to go ahead – would involve British police working with Portuguese counterparts as well as experts in child abduction across other European forces.

The Portuguese police have been heavily criticised for their handling of the case which led to detectives naming the McCanns, both doctors from Leicestershire, as arguidos – or suspects – in the case and accusing them of involvement in her disappearance.

Their arguido status was subsequently lifted and the police investigation shelved.

But with the senior officer in charge Goncalo Amaral now widely discredited and facing financial ruin after being sued for libel by the McCanns over a book he wrote, it may become harder for the Portuguese to refuse the request for a thorough review.

The revelation that possible leads – many passed to Portuguese police by the McCanns’ own private detectives – had apparently been ignored will add to the clamour.

Last week, details emerged of a series of possible sightings of Madeleine, who was just three when she vanished.

Guilhermino Encarnacao, who was in charge of the Policia Judiciaria in the Algarve, died two weeks ago from stomach cancer.

Mr Encarnacao was convinced Madeleine had died in her parents’ apartment and was a major source of a series of off the record briefings to journalists against the McCanns.

A Home Office spokesman said: “We can confirm that the Home Secretary had a private meeting with Kate and Gerry McCann.

“Leicestershire Police stand ready to co-ordinate and complete enquiries if further information comes to light in the UK; or if requested to do so by the Portuguese authorities, who continue to lead on the overall investigation.”

The spokesman refused to discuss what talks took place at the meeting or whether there was the chance of a review of the evidence at Interpol.

The spokesman added: “We are not going to comment on the outcome of any private meeting with the McCanns.”

Mr Yates was unavailable for comment. He led the cash for honours investigation and was also involved in a new inquiry into the murder of Julie Ward, who was murdered in Kenya in 1988.

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41 comments on “Remember this – November 2010

  1. This is a good find, Bren.  Obviously The UK Police have looked at The McCanns,  They have decided that Madeleine was Abducted.

    • Exactly Sabot, does anyone seriously thing that the Met and the Government are going to publicly throw £3.5 million of taxpayers money on a whitewash.

      Of course they looked at the parents, and I suspect the Scoping Review (which Kate mentions) was conducted with the full knowledge of the Portuguese Police and Attorney General.

      And upon that report, the Government gave the authorisation and funds to Scotland Yard to instigate Operation Grange.

      Sadly, no matter what is put in a report, even if Scotland Yard did put everything on a DVD, there are certain people that will never accept that the parents were NOT involved.  They will continue for ever and a day claiming it was a whitewash and a conspiracy.

      Even if they find Madeleine and the person who harmed her, there will be some that will cry the person is nothing other than a patsy and has been paid by team McCann.

      • You are right, of course, Bren  It doesn’t matter what happens, these very stupid people will counter it with something bizzaire and inexplicable.
        But there are only about six of them.  And they really don’t matter.

        Personally, I remain appalled by the length of time it took The UK Government to do something about a missing British Citizen.

        I thought that a  British Passport offered some protection, and at the cost to me of around £100 on the last occasion that I renewed mine, I now wonder if it is worth the money.

  2. Before Axminster’s runs out of stock…

    Abduction may be meant in the broadest sense:

    – There is no evidence that she came to any harm in that apartment
    – If she did not wander out of the apartment of her own accord, then someone took her out of it. 

    (law) The wrongful, and usually the forcible, carrying off of a human being.the abduction of a child
    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abduction

    I don’t understand that to mean that the Met’s remit disregards the possible involvement of anyone…

  3. Op Grange Remit

    The support and expertise proffered by the Commissioner will be provided by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command – SCD1. 
    (via JATYK – link to Met is too long)Below is a link as to what SCD1 actually does. 

    See p. 6:

    http://cabnet.richmond.gov.uk/documents/s28382/Ian%20Robinson%20homicide%20presentation.pdf

  4. Home Office launches secret review into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance

    The Home Office has secretly begun a review that could lead to a fresh
    police inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

     

     
    By Robert
    Mendick

    9:00PM GMT 06 Mar 2010

    The move follows the release of 2,000 pages of evidence last week which
    Portuguese detectives are accused of having failed to fully investigate.

    According to sources close to the McCanns, Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary,
    has ordered officials to examine the ‘feasibility’ of British or Portuguese
    detectives looking afresh at all the evidence.
    Kate and Gerry McCann met with Mr Johnson last year to plead for help in
    their search for Madeleine, who vanished without trace in May 2007 from a
    holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
    The couple have also met with John Yates, the Metropolitan Police Assistant
    Commissioner, who has headed up a number of high profile inquiries in recent
    years.
    He is said to be “sympathetic” and to have made “general offers of
    assistance”.
    The source said: “The latest we have heard from the Home Office is officials
    are undertaking a ‘scoping exercise’ to look into the possibility of a review of
    the case.
    “They are looking at all the options. It is basically a feasibility study.

    “Kate and Gerry met with Alan Johnson to request a review is done. Hopefully
    any political intervention can unlock obstructions that might be in the way.”

    Pressure is now being put on Portuguese authorities to agree in the first
    instance to a three-day review of the case that could be held at Interpol’s
    headquarters in Lyon in France.
    The McCanns will hope the Home Office can persuade their Portuguese
    counterparts to co-operate in a case review.
    The review – were it to go ahead – would involve British police working with
    Portuguese counterparts as well as experts in child abduction across other
    European forces.
    The Portuguese police have been heavily criticised for their handling of the
    case which led to detectives naming the McCanns, both doctors from
    Leicestershire, as arguidos – or suspects – in the case and accusing them of
    involvement in her disappearance.
    Their arguido status was subsequently lifted and the police investigation
    shelved.
    But with the senior officer in charge Goncalo Amaral now widely discredited
    and facing financial ruin after being sued for libel by the McCanns over a book
    he wrote, it may become harder for the Portuguese to refuse the request for a
    thorough review.
    The revelation that possible leads – many passed to Portuguese police by the
    McCanns’ own private detectives – had apparently been ignored will add to the
    clamour.
    Last week, details emerged of a series of possible sightings of Madeleine,
    who was just three when she vanished.
    Guilhermino Encarnacao, who was in charge of the Policia Judiciaria in the
    Algarve, died two weeks ago from stomach cancer.
    Mr Encarnacao was convinced Madeleine had died in her parents’ apartment and
    was a major source of a series of off the record briefings to journalists
    against the McCanns.
    A Home Office spokesman said: “We can confirm that the Home Secretary had a
    private meeting with Kate and Gerry McCann.
    “Leicestershire Police stand ready to co-ordinate and complete enquiries if
    further information comes to light in the UK; or if requested to do so by the
    Portuguese authorities, who continue to lead on the overall investigation.”
    The spokesman refused to discuss what talks took place at the meeting or
    whether there was the chance of a review of the evidence at Interpol.
    The spokesman added: “We are not going to comment on the outcome of any
    private meeting with the McCanns.”
    Mr Yates was unavailable for comment. He led the cash for honours
    investigation and was also involved in a new inquiry into the murder of Julie
    Ward, who was murdered in Kenya in 1988.

    • Brilliant find Samantha, now I wonder if that 3 day review went ahead and that is when it was determined that the parents were not involved?

  5. 10/04/2010 (Later updated: ‘By Lucy
    Panton, 11/04/2010’)
    BRITISH police are to launch a new
    probe into missing Madeleine McCann after massive failures were found in the
    Portuguese investigation.Our top child protection cop
    Jim Gamble has completed a fresh look at the three-year-old investigation for
    the Home Office.He told ministers there were huge holes in the original
    inquiry that need to be revisited if they want to “come close” to reaching UK
    standards.It will come as a bitter pill for Portuguese investigators who
    have fended off criticism since Maddie disappeared in 2007.

    Portugese police left ‘gaping’
    holes
    But parents Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41 and both doctors,
    are “delighted” at the move.Failures in the original investigation are
    said to be “so gaping” that British authorities feel it is their duty to look at
    it again.This time police will review all the leads using technology and
    standards expected in a homicide or kidnap case in the UK.Mr Gamble,
    head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, found a basic
    failure to collate information and join up links that should have been
    made.Telephone records were not properly analysed, missing early
    opportunities for leads.And Kate and Gerry McCann were named as
    Arguidos, or formal suspects, by Portuguese police – something that the review
    says would not have happened if the probe had been carried out in the
    UK.Mr Gamble found no evidence sufficient to make them suspects. His
    findings have now been formally submitted to the Home Office with
    recommendations to re-investigate.The damning review has now set the
    Association of Chief Police Officers the difficult task of trying to decide who
    takes on the mammoth task. It is already predicted to be “an extremely costly”
    investigation that, even if done properly, will probably never be
    solved.

    Damning: Jim
    Gamble
    A source said: “It is something that has to be reviewed. It is only right
    that the McCanns are given the satisfaction that everything that could be done
    has been done. It now comes down to who is up to the job.”The Home
    Secretary Alan Johnson is expected to announce that the new probe will NOT be
    carried out by Leicestershire police, the McCanns’ local force. The review has
    highlighted failures within their handling of the case and ruled them out of the
    review.Instead ACPO are now asking around their top cops to see who
    could take on the very difficult and complex investigation.The source
    added: “It will be extremely costly and sadly is unlikely to result in a
    positive outcome.”As much as we would all like this to end with good
    news for the McCanns, the fact is there have been a lot of missed opportunities
    and no-one will ever be able to reclaim the time and evidence lost.”Two
    thousand pages of evidence released earlier claimed Portuguese detectives failed
    to follow up leads.Home Secretary Alan Johnson ordered officials to
    examine the “feasibility” of British detectives having a fresh look at all the
    evidence back in March.Kate and Gerry McCann, of Rothley, met Mr Johnson
    to plead for help in their search for their daughter who vanished aged three
    from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

  6. Oh yes, I remember all of this now.  This is the 2,000 pages that the Press got hold of and started printing the sightings and the McCanns had to ask for them to stop doing it as it was involving innocent children.

  7. http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic6602.html 

    McCanns upset at release of files

    (UKPA) – 51 minutes ago

    McCann family hit out over release of files concerning missing Madeleine

    The release by Portuguese police to British newspapers of previously unseen files on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was “incomprehensible” and “upsetting”, her family said.

    The 2,000-page dossier detailed dozens of possible sightings of Madeleine after she disappeared from her family’s holiday flat in Praia da Luz, southern Portugal, in May 2007, just before her fourth birthday.

    A statement released by Kate and Gerry McCann said: “Disclosing such information publicly greatly jeopardises the search for Madeleine and puts witnesses and innocent members of the general public at risk (as well as causing them great anxiety). Release and publication of information in this manner also potentially compromises future investigations. It is difficult to see how anyone benefits from this week’s actions.”

    One of the possible sightings was investigated by police in New Zealand after a girl resembling Madeleine was caught on CCTV in Dunedin, but it emerged Portuguesedetectives failed to ask for a follow-up investigation.

    Other leads in the newly released dossier include a report of a small blonde girl being dragged along the road to Faro airport in the Algarve – an hour’s drive from Praia da Luz – on the night Madeleine vanished.

    Another details how a young girl who looked like the missing child was seen being held at gunpoint on a French motorway by a half-naked man in August 2008.

    The statement released by the McCanns, both 41 and from Rothley, Leicestershire, thanked their supporters.

    It stated: “We are incredibly grateful to all those who continue to support us in our search for Madeleine.

    “During weeks such as these, it is invaluable to know that we are not facing this difficult journey alone.”

  8. Ah now the memory is finally kicking in, it was just around the Judgement time in February 2010 that it emerged that sightings were being ignored by Portuguese Police.

    The Telegraph reports this:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html 

    Portuguese police ‘ignored Madeleine McCann leads’
    Portuguese police have ignored hundreds of potential new leads in the Madeleine McCann case because of their belief that she is already dead, it has been claimed.Madeleine McCann Photo: PABy Fiona Govan in Lisbon
    7:30AM GMT 12 Feb 2010
    Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.”They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up,” said Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCann family.”Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all.”The potential new leads date from July 2008 when the case was officially shelved by Portuguese police after they failed to find any evidence of the missing girl.The confidential dossier contains hundreds of statements that could prove useful in solving the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance from an Algarve holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.The McCanns’ legal team became aware of the file during court proceedings as part of a libel trial brought by the couple against the former detective, Goncalo Amaral, who led the initial investigation.The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, accused current Algarve police chief Ricardo Paiva of deliberately ignoring the leads because they did not fit in with the theory that Madeleine’s parents were involved in her disappearance.Last month he appeared in court as a witness in support of former colleague Mr Amaral, who has written a book alleging that the girl died in the holiday apartment and her parents fabricated a tale of abduction after hiding her body.”Every piece of information (in the dossier of potential new leads) was treated the same way – Ricardo Paiva writes on it ‘this is not relevant to the investigation’,” Mrs Duarte said from her office in the Portuguese capital on Thursday.“He believed and to this day still believes that Madeleine is dead. I asked him: ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.Copies of the files would now be passed to the McCanns to be followed up by private investigators hired to search for their daughter.”But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job,” Mrs Duarte, added.”They have the power and capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it not and not my clients.”

  9. Kate McCann – Madeleine Book

    We are still pressing the British and Portuguese
    governments to do more, or at least something. A year after our request for a
    review of Madeleine’s case

    Alan Johnson, the second home secretary we had met,
    commissioned CEOP to undertake a ‘scoping’ exercise – basically to establish
    whether they felt a review may be of benefit.

     

    Their report has been with the Home Office since
    March 2010. Although we have not seen it, it has been widely reported that it
    highlights some deficiencies in the investigation and hence areas that merit
    further attention.

  10. While awaiting a response(review) we will endevour
    to do all we can to find Madeleine. Our own search. however, has significant
    limitations. Crucially. we do not have access to all of the information that has
    come in to the inquiry. The Portuguese authorities possess a great deal of
    material that was not included in the police file released into the public
    domain. The British police, too, hold information we do not have. The more data
    we can acquire. the more complete the picture will be and the stronger our
    chances of finding our daughter.

    If the review is declined, or  indeed if no
    decision is ever made, we will be left with no alternative but to seek
    disclosure of all information possessed by the authorities relating to
    Madeleine’s disappearance.

    Inh the absence of any other active investigation ,
    it must surely be in Madeleine’s best interests that we and our team are given
    access to records that will otherwise just sit there gathering
    dust.Kate McCann

    • Precisely.  If no official body is doing anything to find out what happened to that child then The McCanns must have the right of access.
      The suggestion that The McCanns just want to know what any Police Force has against them is ridiculous.  If there was anything it would have been exposed by now.

      I shan’t even bother with The Cover Up Theories.  The whole bloody Planet would have to be involved in that one.

  11. “Ah now the memory is finally kicking in, it was just around the Judgement time in February 2010 that it emerged that sightings were being ignored by Portuguese Police.”

    Hmmm. The tabloids have published x zillion “sightings”. 

    The McCanns are looking for that missing bit of the jigsaw which may not be a “sighting” at all – and which may have been a detail that could have simply been filed if the remaining desk officer was convinced she’d died.

  12. Yes Carana, but this was something to do with the 2,000 pages that got reported roughly around the time of the libel trial.  The papers applied for them and the McCanns didn’t know they existed at the time, it appears they were ignored.

    “Ignored” evidence may lead to re-opening of Madeleine case 

    Special Report by CHRIS GRAEME at Lisbon Civil Court
    Updated: 11-Feb-2010

    Lawyers acting on behalf of Kate and Gerry McCann and Gonçalo Amaral admitted in Lisbon on Wednesday (February 10) that evidence ignored by police investigators couldpave the way for the Madeleine Case to be reopened.

    The lawyers were speaking outside the Lisbon Civil Court, Tribunal Civel de Lisboa, on the last day of an injunction case which the McCanns hope will permanently ban publication of Madeleine – the Secret of the Lie, the book which purports that the three-year-old toddler died in a tragic accident in their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, and that the parents tried to conceal the body.

    Isabel Duarte, representing the McCanns, who were in Lisbon at the hearing, said that there was “evidence that could compromise the Polícia Judiciária investigation” in Portimão and pave the way for “the reopening of the Madeleine Case”.

    The firebrand lawyer, who caused a sensation in the highly-charged court room in her passionate summing up deliberations by using emotive words against the book, the author, its publishers and a television channel, such as vultures, crows and vampires attracted to the “smell of fresh meat” said that she had attempted to show that the PJ had “undervalued successive sightings of a child” which the British police had given credence too.

    “What I saw was various relevant pieces of information, photographs, some of them shocking, similar to the girl, places and car number plates,” she said, which the McCanns had not been called in to identify, but which could show that a girl like Madeleine could have been in Spain or Italy.

    When pressed further, Isabel Duarte said that Inspector Ricardo Paiva, the Chief Investigator in the case after Gonçalo Amaral’s removal for allegedly criticising British police, “had been reported as having received sightings of Madeleine” but then later, in court, changed his story.

    “What I heard, and this is taped (in court), is that Inspector Paiva said he believed the girl was dead and so, straight off, that means no one is going to investigate a girl that’s alive, don’t you think?” she said.

    Isabel Duarte said that French, Spanish and British investigators had confirmed that the leads “were promising” but that the Portuguese investigators “didn’t take them seriously and follow them up”.

    In a statement outside the court house, Gerry McCann said that the couple would be delighted if the case were reopened.

    “We have no problem with that but what we need is real investigation not dismissal,” he said as both issued a fresh plea for the Portuguese to come forward with any information about Madeleine.

    Difficult

    Kate McCann said that listening to the allegations had been difficult but that nothing could be as bad as losing her daughter.

    In the fourth day of what has proved a sensational and media-driven case, two last witnesses were called in defence of Gonçalo Amaral, Eduardo Damaso, Editor-in-Chief of daily Portuguese tabloid Correio da Manhã, and Luís Frões, the General Managing Director of Valentim Carvalho Films, the company that produced the TVI documentary based on the thesis put forward by Gonçalo Amaral in his book.

    Both told the court about the distribution arrangements for 75,000 copies of the DVD of the film, which first was aired on TVI and subsequently ended up being illegally posted on the internet.

    The court heard how 10,000 copies of the DVD were produced and given away in a special edition of Correio da Manhã for a limited period of time before many copies were recalled for destruction but that many could have been sold at newspaper outlets and kiosks well beyond that period in breach of an injunction.

    It also emerged in the court that the McCanns are launching fresh criminal proceedings at the Oeiras Criminal Court against TVI over the allegations broadcast about Madeleine’s death.

    Isabel Duarte told the court that by airing the documentary and producing its DVD copies, both the TV station, TVI, the film company Valentim Carvalho Films and the newspaper were in “material breach” of the court injunction issued to prevent repeating allegations made in the book as well as Gonçalo Amaral’s famous statement in the film that during the course of the documentary he would “prove that Madeleine McCann was not kidnapped but died in the apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007”.

    Defending Gonçalo Amaral, António Cabrita, asked what was so special about the book, when several other journalists and writers had written about the Madeleine Case.

    “Maybe there is a problem with the book because it is too close to the truth,” he said.

    The Guerra e Paz publisher’s lawyer also criticised the McCanns for using the media when it suited their ends but then trying to gag the media when their interest and investigations didn’t suit their line of argument.

    “The company has published another book called the McCann’s Guilt but that has not been banned,” he said.

    “Citizens should be concerned that a court may forbid Gonçalo Amaral to talk about the case. After all he has the authority to speak about it because he was the Chief Investigator,” he said.

    Live in freedom

    “I refute the idea that any Portuguese citizen is forbidden to talk about this case and I hope that you (the judge) will give me back the pride of being Portuguese and to live in freedom,” said António Cabrita.

    Isabel Duarte said that freedom of expression didn’t mean that any doorman or taxi driver in Portugal should be able to act as judge and jury on the McCanns on the strength of unfounded and unproven allegations.

    The McCanns’ team added that the couple had been put through a “Kafkaesque” process where on the one hand the parents were attacked for showing “lack of initiative” and then attacked for being proactive in “going to the media” to help them find their daughter.

    Isabel Duarte and her team then suggested that Gonçalo Amaral had published his book out of revenge for being removed from the case and “to make profits.”

    She labelled him, the publisher and the TV station as “vampires” by trying to cash in on the parents’ suffering and called them “vultures drawn by the smell of fresh meat.”

    The judge, Maria Gabriela Cunha Rodrigues, is to make a ruling on the book at 10.30am on Thursday, February 18.

    http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic5908.html

     And the journalists applied to the prosecutor for these sightings and they started to print them in the papers over the coming weeks.

  13. Yes, Bren, I agree. However, what I was trying to say is that the missing piece of the jigsaw may not have been a sighting as such. Even if it was, the tabloids should have STFU. It’s totally irresponsible.

    • Yes, but again it sold papers.  And very true that missing piece could be anything, it doesn’t have to be a sighting of a child, it could be a recollection of an incident.  Mind you after reading that Algarve resident article above, I can see now why a review was conducted and why the Portuguese Police were more than co-operative.

      It doesn’t look good when people are prepared to say that evidence was submitted to the Police and ignored.   And no Bennett evidence does not include dodgy dossiers of people.  LOL

      • But what if the tabloids had released a crucial detail that had not been eliminated and could have put Madeleine’s life in danger? Did they ever stop to think?

      • No Carana, and that is exactly what Kate and Gerry McCann said at the Leveson Inquiry.  

      • They had also started to release names (and photos) of people who may have been totally innocent. It’s hardly conducive to anyone coming forward with new info, is it?

      • And look at what the Official Files did, and what happened when people got hold of the Gaspar Statements.  Witnessing something like that you would be too scared to come forward, for fear of having a statement that you think is made in confidence plastered all over the internet.

        It is fearful when witnesses have to give evidence in Court against someone, just imagine if the Police don’t proceed with a case and your evidence is paraded around on a DVD for people to read.

        I know that is how Portugal works, but for those of us that are not used to that kind of system, it must have been a mortal shock when people started getting inundated by emails, letters etc from the likes of Bennett and his groupies.

  14. The fact that Goncalo Amaral was the lead Detective is the most important reason for why he should not be allowed to comment.  Especially as he was sacked from the investigation for fixating on The McCanns and spreading his unfounded theories to all and sundry.

    Some idiots will believe anything if they want to, and coming from a man who was supposedly in charge.  But a man who will do such a thing has no honour, or pride in his job.  He is a nasty, vindictive little man who doesn’t understand DNA or the Rules of Evidence, and who was passed over simply because he was useless and far too prone to gut instinct.

    • Yes and the usual people come out to defend him.  I am reading a thread on MM, it is so funny, they have dragged up the Birthday Bash incident now.  The only problem is they forgot to mention that CdeM had to apologise.

      http://regretsandramblings.com/2011/11/30/well-well-well-goncalo-amaral-and-threats-and-accusations/#comment-375763711

      Mind you I am chuckling away because the comments have reverted to old 3a’s posters (don’t they people realise that 3a’s has been gone longer than it existed), whether they think I am posting there I don’t know, but if they are looking for me, check the guest list my IP will be in there and my screen resolution will be the one with the coffee splutter on it, after watching claudia make such an ass of herself, yet again.

      • All of the threads on MM are hilarious.  Especially the “Tony Shagged” one.  Although they didn’t like the title, so they changed it.
        But fear not, Bonny got a Screen Shot.
        Meanwhile, Tony Bennett is still shagged. 

      • Oh Sabot, that has created more laughter…. So glad it was captured, I wondered what title it was when I saw the mods requesting the OP to change it.

        Now the next question is, why didn’t the mods change it themselves and put a note in the post?

    • Officially, he seems to have been taken off the case. Whether he voluntarily took an early retirement or was thanked for his services doesn’t seem to be established. 

    • I agree that his apparent lack of comprehension of even basic forensic DNA is most bewildering. 

  15. Lack of comprehension  or propaganda?

    • I am thinking the same, I don’t think he did misunderstand the DNA results.  He knew damn well there was no evidence but he blindly wanted a confession, and was hoping to get one.  Except Kate McCann was not as weak as he imagined… thank god for that… otherwise I truly think she could be in a Portiguese Jail at this given time.

      My honest opinion, is that he knew damn well that the Cipriano case was going to bite him badly in the ass at some stage, especially when he was made an arguido on the 4th May 2007.  How can a copper still be a copper when involved in the likes of torture etc?  They couldn’t be.  I think he knew well, that he would either be fired or he had to take early retirement.  Personally I think he wanted to stay on just until the Court Case back in 2009 and wanted to print his book as well.  The PJ were having none of that and that is what upset him.

    • Good point. Until the forensic files were made available on the Internet (almost a year after the insinuations were leaked), there was no way of knowing how fist-crunchingly embarrassing those assumptions actually were. 

      • Well if Amaral had initially been under any DNA misconceptions – then he shouldn’t have been after Cortes Real and Paiva visited with the FSS in November.

      • The Corte Real testimony in GA’s “documentary” seems to have been *overlooked*… *cough*. 

        As far as I can work out what he said was scientific jargon that said exactly the same thing as what Lowe tried to explain. 

  16. Bren, I can’t reply to your previous comment (too many sub-comments).

    I agree. That said, I don’t think the DVD was intended to be splashed all over the Internet. It was originally for journalists who should have respected a code of conduct (reporting on the contents, but not giving out private details). What happened is very different.

    • Totally agree, I don’t think they expected the DVD to go beyond journalists. But it did, unfortunately.  

      There again, I never expected anyone to contact witnesses in the case, but they did.  The birth of armchair sleuths well and truly evolved.  I swear some of them are convinced that they are actually part of the investigating team and totally forget they are just joe blogs, on the internet making a public nuisance of themselves. 

  17. Well, I’ve gone hunting in the files to try to refute the myths. Perhaps I shouldn’t have done? I certainly didn’t mean any harm to anyone. Was I wrong or right in trying to do this? I don’t know. 

  18. Carana you don’t try to substantiate stupid theories via the files.

    YOU  are not the problem:)

  19. I agree with Samantha and you are not the problem at all Carana.  

     The truth of the matter is there are so many factions in this case, with regards to the anti-McCann camp, each trying to cover their own backs now that the waters are very muddy.  

    These factions in the anti-McCann camp, include those that agree with Bennett and not Amaral, those that agree with Amaral and not Bennett,  and then there are those that believe in the McCanns guilt but don’t agree with either Bennett or Amaral.

     These factions accuse the McCanns of not being honest and open, yet they are doing exactly the same.  The classic being the latest incident with Joanna blaming the McCanns for spinning the Court dates, when they originated from her own blog.

    In fact looking back on what the McCanns have said, they have not changed their story at all.  Initially they were tied in what they could and could not say for fear of breaking judicial secrecy and therefore it is understandable their reluctance to answer some questions.  And it has been that reluctance, out of fear, that has left the door open for the conspiracy theorists to come in and invent another theory.

    I think it was only hearing Kate and Gerry McCann at the Leveson Inquiry state how they wanted so much to put a stop to what was being said but couldn’t, that you began to understand how situation they were in.  They were between a rock and a hard place.

  20. Thanks Samantha and Bren. 😉

    I know I’m not the only one who has tried to refute the myths (far from it), I was just trying to assume my share of responsibility. The fact is, refuting the myths means consulting the files and one ends up citing pages which themselves cite the names of people who probably had no idea that their names would be splashed all across the Internet. 

    Just an example: I believe in the right to privacy, yet I have sometimes mentioned a certain family’s testimony to refute myths. I have never twisted what they said (nor exaggerated it, unlike some), but I’m sure they would have preferred that their testimony had never become public knowledge in the first place.

    On the other hand, some people (including a former coordinator) have exaggerated what they actually said…  which I didn’t feel to be fair. 

    I feel I was defending them, but maybe they would have simply preferred not to have been mentioned at all?

  21. I’ll add to that thought:

    I cannot fathom the distress to a certain family whose statements should never have been made public in the first place: a) it should have been confidential and b) there is nothing to suggest that it was anything other than a spur-of-the-moment hit-the-button doubt) and b) whose name is being used as a pseudonym to taunt the McCann family on a daily basis.

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