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So it is going ahead then!!!

So after a weekend of will it, won’t it about and the begging and praying for tweets to be removed, we seem again to be at lift-off.

Yes, it looks like the libel trial when Kate and Gerry McCann are taking Goncalo Amaral to court for defamation and libel due to his book, “The truth of the Lie”, is finally going to get under way.

Well it does according to this tweet.

Oh well, looks like September is going to be a month of early nights, up early and get the chores done and then wait for the news to emerge from Portugal.

I wonder if Sky will do us a favour and send Jondi Paolo from Sky aka as @JDPSky on twitter  back to the courts to tweet the latest developments.

Oh yes the tweeter who @JillyCL, swears blind along with swearing  day is night, that he retracted one of his tweets from the Lisbon hearing dates back in January 2010 and apologised but it can’t be found nowhere on his timeline.

Here is the origianl tweet:

Now surely if it was incorrect, the tweeter would have deleted it, but as you can see from his time line for that day, no retraction or deletion at all if you read them:

Tweets for 12th January, 2010 and Tweets for 13th January 2010, all still available online via his time-line

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18 comments on “So it is going ahead then!!!

  1. I have never seen a retraction, either. However, I do have doubts as to whether Paiva would have actually said that… As I haven’t been able to find an official transcript, I haven’t been able to verify whether it was an error or not. 

  2. I think the speculation at the time was that the word ‘not’ had been ommitted.

  3. A second officer, Ricardo Paiva, said Portuguese police were suspicious of
    the couple’s ‘merchandising’ operation in the months after Maddie disappeared.
    The Madeleine Fund they set up sold wristbands and T-shirts publicising the case
    and used the money to support the search. 

    Mr Paiva said they should have faced prosecution for leaving their children
    alone, saying: ‘People have been arrested for far less – even in the UK.’
    Former Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral wrote a book
    accusing the McCanns of covering up their daughter’s death

    He admitted that Mr Amaral’s conviction about the McCanns’ involvement had
    stopped police from investigating other theories.

    Read
    more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242716/Madeleine-McCann-dead-abduction-faked-say-Portuguese-police.html#ixzz1WWVXCXZw

  4. The mcanns’ lawyer is taking an aggressive tone as she
    cross-examines mr paiva.

    44 minutes ago
    depuis txt

    Paiva: if she was being held somewhere publicity would be more
    likely to hasten her death.

    about 1 hour ago
    depuis txt

    Paiva: we found the ‘merchandising’ operation with wristbands and so
    on very strange.

    about 1 hour ago
    depuis txt

    Mr amaral looks like he’s dozing off.

    about 1 hour ago
    depuis txt

    Paiva: mccanns never pointed me towards any evidence that maddie was
    still alive.

    about 1 hour ago
    depuis txt

    Paiva: amaral’s thesis has prevented other theories from being
    investigated.

    about 1 hour ago
    depuis txt
     
    http://johns-tapas-bar.forumactif.net/t42-le-proces-des-mccann-contre-amaral

  5. Thank you Samantha, now this is what they are using, a BBC article from the 12.1.10

    Another witness, Ricardo Paiva, the Portuguese detective who acted as a
    liaison officer for the McCanns, said he did not feel the inquiry had
    been damaged by police considering the theory Madeleine may have died.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8454431.stm

    Well I am positive something as important as “not” being missed would have resulted in Jondipaolo either deleting his tweet or offering a correction.

    • Less positive than you on that point, Bren. 

      He may not have been that familiar with the case (and those involved) in the first place and simply misheard. He would have needed access to the court transcript to verify. Has anyone actually asked him? 

  6. Bren, I seem to remember there was more to Paiva’s testimony. Having trouble finding it.

  7. Has anyone found the Portuguese original of the injunction appeal on the web yet? I saw you, Bren, JJP and various other people asking about it. 

    I had a look at the dgsi.pt site, and couldn’t find it, either. I worked out there might have been a typo in the case number (from comparing it to other cases, it would seem there should not have been a space between the final L and the 1, then there should have been a hyphen plus a final digit). I tried key words. Nope. Tried searching with just 09.8TVLSB-A.L1 : that brought up four case records, but not that one. Most odd.

  8. Trying to think of logical explanations… and I’m not having a lot of success.

  9. Hi Carana no we are having no luck.  I have tried every connotation of that case reference number and google is only bringing up forums and blogs there is absolutely nothing on the dgsi site at all.

    Here is a link to the tweets from Jondipaolo tweets

    http://thepjfiles.prophpbb.com/topic3489.html

  10. Mind you I don’t go much on his chances especially if the French version that has been translated is correct.  Even in the first chapter he is telling people the child is dead.

    A short time later, in the course of a television interview, I hear my
    former professor of political science and constitutional rights, Marcelo
    Rebelo de Sousa, explaining the national director’s statement. I
    remember very well his course on the separation of power. He maintains
    that the director’s words have killed the investigation. The death of
    the investigation, once again! But this is about the death of a child!
    Yes, I affirm it, a child is dead! This certainty is not fed by vague
    assumptions, no, I base myself on facts, details, clues and evidence
    recorded in the official records. Many questions have been raised. But
    where are the answers?

    http://truthofthelie.com/the-book/chapter-1/

  11. Off on a slight tangent…. 
    What on earth are all these conspiracy theories about masonic connections that would somehow have helped the parents to cover some (as yet undefined) deed?

    I do find it somewhat ironic that the one person who states quite openly that he received support from the masonry was…. Guess who?

    GA. 

    “What hidden interests – masonry, national and international political lobbies – are moving in order to set you up?

    I’m not a fan of conspiracy theories, there may be coincidences concerning the people who are trying to destroy me, but on the other hand, I have been receiving support from people who are connected to the masonry. I do not believe in any concerted effort to destroy me, this is something personal, not organised.”
    http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/09/goncalo-amaral-interview-with-semanario.html

    Interesting how the fruitloops seem to skip over that detail. 

  12. I’ve no idea what the source is for this blog comment (so do take it with a dose of salt). 

    However, it seems unrelated to the McCann case, as it is about the supposed power of masons in Portugal. I know next to nothing about masons. Yes, I’m aware that there have been a few scandals in the past but, on the whole, the mainstream seems to be more like a business fraternity than anything particularly sinister. 

    If you read through, there will be at least one recognisable name. 

    http://hispanismo.org/portugal/7476-los-masones-recuperan-poder-en-portugal.html

  13. Thanks Carana will take it with a pinch of salt but interesting that Moita Flores (writer and president of CM Santarém, ex.inspector PJ) is on that list

  14. Thanks Carana will take it with a pinch of salt but interesting that Moita Flores (writer and president of CM Santarém, ex.inspector PJ) is on that list

  15. Thanks Carana will take it with a pinch of salt but interesting that Moita Flores (writer and president of CM Santarém, ex.inspector PJ) is on that list

  16. Well, as I just mentioned, I’m totally neutral about masons. 

    What amuses me, however, is that the anti brigade keep whingeing on about possible connections that could explain some bizarre cover-up, whereas they totally ignore the fact that GA has no problem admitting that he, himself, received support from the same source. 

    They really ought to make their minds up: why would any masonic contacts with the McCanns automatically insinuate something deep, dark and nasty (if indeed any existed), while totally ignoring GA’s own admission? Can’t have it both ways. 

    In a way, I’d even give GA credit for admitting that, although I’m not sure he could have blankly denied it in his answer without offending supporters from the masonic fraternity. 

    I suppose the only reasons I spotted that blog remark are a) GA’s reply to that question; b) the alleged member is both former PJ and a mayor; and c) GA was trying to run for mayor (post disappearance):

    “Don’t you think that there is a personal persecution against you, after you saw your pretension to run for mayor for the Algarve’s PSD, dismissed?

    That’s a good question. Two or three days before the president of PSD vetoed my name, the now author of the injunction was in Lisbon. According to what is being said, he met with his then lawyer and with a politician from that party. We are interested in confirming said meeting and its relation with the decision that affected my civil right to be elected.”
    Could be total coincidence, of course. 

  17. Despite the fact that no one seems to be able to locate the original appeal decision in Portuguese… I still can’t work out where various people on the Internet seem to have come to the conclusion that the “MCCANNS were ORDERED to give the books back” (paraphrasing from various sources).  Nor can I find any justification for the rumour that they were “probably burned”. 

    As far as I can work out:

    – The custody of the books (not quite sure whatever happened to the DVDs) was given to their Portuguese lawyer (Isabel Duarte);

    – The books were not the personal property of GA, but belonged to his publisher;

    – The decision of the appeal court was that the injunction against the continued sale had been overturned. Therefore, the publishers had regained the RIGHT to continue to offer them for sale;

    – I have not read anything so far to indicate that the publishers have actually reclaimed the books;

    – I therefore don’t understand where the idea came from that the “McCanns” were “ordered to return” the books. 

    Or have I missed something?

    As in… the libel trial hasn’t yet taken place; I can’t fathom why the publishers would have an interest in aggravating the situation for an alleged 7,500 books left in stock (the commercial value of which is surely less than it would have been at the time of the initial marketing drive). 

    So far: 

    III – Decision

    In harmony with what is written above, under the terms of the cited dispositions, the Judges at this Appeals Court declare the validity of the appeal filed by defendant Dr. Gonçalo Amaral, and the sentence of the Court a quo is revoked, its disposition replaced by the following:

    The injunction is deemed not valid because it was not proved.

    http://www.mccannfiles.com/id344.html

    Will the book be again be put up for sale?

    The publisher will immediately recover the confiscated books in order to place them at the bookshops. And we will take other initiatives into consideration, including the publication in England.

    (Source: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id344.html Article: 20/10/10 “Direct Speech: A short interview with Gonçalo Amaral):

    With the decision to cancel the prohibition of sale of the book ‘Maddie – The Truth of the Lie’ and the video with the same title [not the same title], both can be re-marketed and Gonçalo Amaral who defends in the book the thesis of Kate and Gerry McCann involvement in their daughter’s disappearance – in May 2007, from an apartment located at a tourist resort in the Algarve – can now speak publicly on the case.

    Source: Maddie: Gonçalo Amaral considers the “strengthening of democracy”, 19 October 2010 via http://www.mccannfiles.com/id344.html

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